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this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is something that we want, but when we hear senator mccain mentioning the u.s. citizen that was killed in 2011, there was an op-ed piece in "wall street journal" "wall street journal" talking about what it means to be an enemy combatant. he was considered to be an enemy combatant, but in yemen. can a drone be used here if an enemy combatant is on american soil here. how will the conversation go? >> i think these are fundamental questions that have not been debated in the united states when it comes to applies the drone policy overseas. this is part of the criticism that many have against the united states
this is all in reference to the president's drone program, but john mccain and lindsey graham coming out in support of what the president has done, lindsey graham calling into question where were republicans during president bush's administration when they were using drones. joining me on set is ayman mull ha dean, you know firsthand from the work you've doane overseas, so we have the house judiciary committee, scheduled toic take up this conversation as well, certainly transparency is...
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graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the republican party definitely isn't known for. >> let's play what rand paul -- just gave an interview this morning to glenn beck on his radio show. here's a little bit of what rand paul said regarding his critics. let's play it. >> government were comprised of angels we wouldn't need rules and so i try to make it less about president obama and more about what if some day we elect someone who wouldn't -- who would abuse this power? >> senator, there's been some criticism of your filibuster last night including from apparently lindsey graha
graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the...
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remember, he's had john mccain and lindsey graham for example over to the white house recently to talk about immigration and they also did talk about this sequester. but the president's going to leave the white house, go to a hotel in washington, d.c. there will be more than a half a dozen republican senators there. the president extended the invitation. the republicans apparently came up with a list of who's going to attend. we'll see if they sequester the wine list or free throw the conversation. remember last week, the president was running around the country saying if the budget cuts went into effect -- we've seen in the last 24 hour, going to have dinner with republican senators tonight. going to go up to capitol hill next week and talk to republican senators on their turf. he's also going to go over to the house, republicans control the house of representatives. that's the president's biggest problem right now and he's going to meet with them as well. now, he's done these meetings in the past, but to have it happen so quickly, this quick pivot right after the argument over budget
remember, he's had john mccain and lindsey graham for example over to the white house recently to talk about immigration and they also did talk about this sequester. but the president's going to leave the white house, go to a hotel in washington, d.c. there will be more than a half a dozen republican senators there. the president extended the invitation. the republicans apparently came up with a list of who's going to attend. we'll see if they sequester the wine list or free throw the...
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as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to being a partisan republican. but i believe it is the job of the president of the united states, particularly as commander in chief, when we're talking about the effects on defense here. i believed a year ago that the president should call people into the office and start negotiating. but having said that, i will accept blame, and i think republicans voted for it. but again, i think the president should be leading. and we should be sitting down and really ready to do whatever is necessary to prevent, in my view, a blow to national defense. >> you have been in washington for a long time, and you know, we had jordan
as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to...
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as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to being a partisan republican. but i believe it is the job of the president of the united states, particularly as commander in chief, when we're talking about the effects on defense here. i believed a year ago that the president should call people into the office and start negotiating. but having said that, i will accept blame, and i think republicans voted for it. but again, i think the president should be leading. and we should be sitting down and really ready to do whatever is necessary to prevent, in my view, a blow to national defense. >> you have been in washington for a long time, and you know, we had jordan
as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to...
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and the one senator who put it together lindsey graham september osent ought a tweet today, he said hope it serves as the beginning of a new paradigm where people in elected office actually talk to each other about meaningful issues. one of the senators who i spoke with said that what struck him was the fact that the president sort of can got to understand better the republicans and the republicans got to understand the president better. and he said that that was even more of a shocker i think to republicans, that the president is actually sincere in where he's coming from. i have a very unsophisticated word to describe this. duh. this is human relationships and it should have been happening for years and years. to understand each other, baseline of that, that has to happen before they can talk across party lines. >> wolf, didn't we have this conversation in 2009 and it had to do with beer and a beer summit and it was sitting down as regular people just like the picture shows you, trying to get over an impasse by just sitting down to either a good meal or a good beer? >> once you establi
and the one senator who put it together lindsey graham september osent ought a tweet today, he said hope it serves as the beginning of a new paradigm where people in elected office actually talk to each other about meaningful issues. one of the senators who i spoke with said that what struck him was the fact that the president sort of can got to understand better the republicans and the republicans got to understand the president better. and he said that that was even more of a shocker i think...
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>> and peter, we did hear from republican senators mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, among them, criticizing the obama administration for bringing this guy to civilian court. graham said the administration, quote, snuck him in under the nose of congress. do you think that's a valid criticism? >> i'm not sure, but i wantled to amplify and second what john was saying. there's nowhere worse in the world to be an alleged terrorist than in new york's state federal court. the conviction rate in new york state for these kinds of crimes are 100%. the conviction rate at guantanamo is less than 1%. in fact, some of the convictions in guantanamo have actually been overturned and the sentences that have been handed down have been minkuehl because it's time served and whatever country the accused terrorist comes from. so both on the question of the fact that the senators are quite sure that the convictions have been overturned, that very few cases have actually been tried, guantanamo is not a very realistic place to put anybody. >> peter bergen, appreciate you being on, john miller as well. let us know k
>> and peter, we did hear from republican senators mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, among them, criticizing the obama administration for bringing this guy to civilian court. graham said the administration, quote, snuck him in under the nose of congress. do you think that's a valid criticism? >> i'm not sure, but i wantled to amplify and second what john was saying. there's nowhere worse in the world to be an alleged terrorist than in new york's state federal court. the conviction...
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graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever? and his answer was yes, if i deem them to be a safety risk. problem is that's an accusation, if a government or a politician calls you an enemy combatant, is that enough to whisk you off to guantanamo bay or is that enough to have a drone strike on you? and see, both of these senators argue that america is part of the battlefield for the laws of war apply. well, the laws of war sometimes don't involve due process and i acknowledge that. if soldiers -- if the enemy is shooting at our soldiers, there is no due process involved with that, we shoot back to kill. there are no judges and juries, but ameri
graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever?...
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senator lindsey graham one of the republicans dining with the president. this might be a dr. phil moment. take a listen. >> i see the president reaching out. everybody wants to, you know, be dr. phil about what he is doing. i'm assuming the president wants to talk serious buy about -- seriously about the issues of the day. he will go up to capitol hill. he rarely does that meet separately with all four democrats. same in the senate. first time he has really done that since 2010, shep. >> shepard: this is a new strategy to do, what? >> well, is he sort of going around the leadership. if you look at some the faces that will be there, more rank and file senators like lindsey graham. not people on the list that not there speaker john boehner mitch mcconnell who he hasn't had a lot of progress with. going through some of the rank and file. is he not worried about that jay carney says this is all about trying to find different ways to bring people together. take a listen. >> frankly, i wish he had done more of that over the years. we have had all of this very limited interaction wi
senator lindsey graham one of the republicans dining with the president. this might be a dr. phil moment. take a listen. >> i see the president reaching out. everybody wants to, you know, be dr. phil about what he is doing. i'm assuming the president wants to talk serious buy about -- seriously about the issues of the day. he will go up to capitol hill. he rarely does that meet separately with all four democrats. same in the senate. first time he has really done that since 2010, shep....
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senator john mccain and lindsey graham both lablasted him for his filibuster, suggested it was not serious here is the sample of mccain's criticism and you will hear paul's response. >> somehow to allege that the united states of america our government would drop a drone hell fire missile on jane fonda, that is that brings the scrfertion a serious conversation u.s. policy to the realm of ridiculous. >> this was a very serious question. it was a question that took me a month and a half to get an answer to. >> meanwhile the top republican and democrat democratic leaders in the united states senate praised senator paul for his strong convictions and his stamina. shep? >> shepard: mike emanuel on capitol hill. thanks. remember, the north koreans saying we don't want to do war? that's over. north korea is now officially threatening to nuke washington, d.c. and in response, the united states is fully capable of defending itself against any north korean missile attack. that promise from both the state department and the white house just hours after this threat from the north korean to launch a pr
senator john mccain and lindsey graham both lablasted him for his filibuster, suggested it was not serious here is the sample of mccain's criticism and you will hear paul's response. >> somehow to allege that the united states of america our government would drop a drone hell fire missile on jane fonda, that is that brings the scrfertion a serious conversation u.s. policy to the realm of ridiculous. >> this was a very serious question. it was a question that took me a month and a...
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every...
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graham pushing back against rand paul and ted cruz, and the new guard. women tend to negotiate those things a little bit more diplomatically, not less forcefully but more diplomatically. jenna: you say the women have the ability, specifically the conservative women you mention to reflect and express the message of the g.o.p. better over the next couple of years, or maybe to the advantage of the g.o.p. over the next couple of years. still let's go back to the message. do you think the g.o.p. message, the conservative message in this country is u know, put in the right form? is it actually out there in the right way to be kpwupbd, whoever is the one to communicate it? >> not right now. this is something that really needs a lot of work and maybe women can lead the charge on this. conservatives tend to argue in facts and facts tending to cold. when we talk about the deficit or debtor tax rates all of what we're saying as a conservative, i believe is accurate, but it tends not to resonate because it's not cast in more emotional terms. of i think what conserva
graham pushing back against rand paul and ted cruz, and the new guard. women tend to negotiate those things a little bit more diplomatically, not less forcefully but more diplomatically. jenna: you say the women have the ability, specifically the conservative women you mention to reflect and express the message of the g.o.p. better over the next couple of years, or maybe to the advantage of the g.o.p. over the next couple of years. still let's go back to the message. do you think the g.o.p....
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particularly also want to thank both senator lindsey graham and senator mccain for coordinating the meeting. good. very candid discussion. and the discussion included not only sequester, the budget, but really where we focused is how do we bring people together in a bipartisan way to address the debt and deficit. and that means tax reform and that means entitlement reform the way we preserve social security and medicare but truly addresses the debt and deficit. >> so forgive rand paul if he doesn't have much to say today. did he a lot of talking yesterday. nearly 13 hours worth. >> i rise today to begin to filibuster john brennan's nomination for the cia. i will speak until i can no longer speak. i will speak as long as it takes. >> and speak he did. from 11:47 wednesday morning until well past midnight. the senator's attack focused squarely on the president's drone program and its use on on american citizens overseas and possibly here on u.s. soil. paul alone. he got help. a couple fellow senators took over for a brief time asking questions or reading tweets. but it was a tea party senator
particularly also want to thank both senator lindsey graham and senator mccain for coordinating the meeting. good. very candid discussion. and the discussion included not only sequester, the budget, but really where we focused is how do we bring people together in a bipartisan way to address the debt and deficit. and that means tax reform and that means entitlement reform the way we preserve social security and medicare but truly addresses the debt and deficit. >> so forgive rand paul if...
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graham. gloria borger joins me live here. much to chew over. speaking of chewing and breaking bread, gloria, why dinner? this is certainly not the way the president did business with republicans during the first term. why this way? >> or with democrats, i might add. not, you know, didn't dos by like this with much of anybody. when you -- remember when the president had the first press conference after his re-election, he was asked about why he didn't have more people over to the white house to socialize, and his answer was, you know what, i played golf with john boehner, we had fun, but it didn't get a budget deal done in 2011, it didn't work. i spoke with a senior administration official who said to me, you know what, there is this myth in washington that if we all sit down around a table, somehow, something miraculous is going to occur and republicans are going to start working with us. so clearly it was something he thought was pretty absurd. so lo and behold, brooke, now we have the presi
graham. gloria borger joins me live here. much to chew over. speaking of chewing and breaking bread, gloria, why dinner? this is certainly not the way the president did business with republicans during the first term. why this way? >> or with democrats, i might add. not, you know, didn't dos by like this with much of anybody. when you -- remember when the president had the first press conference after his re-election, he was asked about why he didn't have more people over to the white...